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	<description>James D. Clark</description>
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		<title>Comment on Art Not Oil by James</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/11/01/art-not-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they&#039;re putting more money than anyone else. A. they have infinite money, and B. they know that as soon as the oil runs out, unless they gain a stranglehold on the market beforehand, they&#039;ll all be out of a job. Any contribution Shell/BP makes towards green energy is always going to be with vested interests to look after themselves first and foremost and the environment second. But this in itself I don&#039;t have a problem with.

When renewable energy has to become the majority force… in about 40/50 years, these same companies will indeed be reaping the profits - and no one should begrudge them these profits - when the energy is green. But these companies should be doing more right now… selfishly bleeding the Earth dry before introducing readily available and economically viable alternatives is a shameful way to operate. While Shell and BP are intent upon ripping up an area the size of England in the Canadian Tar Sands instead of bringing in renewable alternatives, they don&#039;t really have a moral leg to stand on.

I agree that they are both the cause and solution of the problems - but they should stop being the cause and start being the solution now, rather than at their own convenience - and that of their bank balance.

Yes, it is impossible to criticise with total integrity. Yes, we all depend on oil based products every second of every day.  But is it so wrong to bite the hand that feeds if it&#039;s for the common good of the planet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they&#8217;re putting more money than anyone else. A. they have infinite money, and B. they know that as soon as the oil runs out, unless they gain a stranglehold on the market beforehand, they&#8217;ll all be out of a job. Any contribution Shell/BP makes towards green energy is always going to be with vested interests to look after themselves first and foremost and the environment second. But this in itself I don&#8217;t have a problem with.</p>
<p>When renewable energy has to become the majority force… in about 40/50 years, these same companies will indeed be reaping the profits &#8211; and no one should begrudge them these profits &#8211; when the energy is green. But these companies should be doing more right now… selfishly bleeding the Earth dry before introducing readily available and economically viable alternatives is a shameful way to operate. While Shell and BP are intent upon ripping up an area the size of England in the Canadian Tar Sands instead of bringing in renewable alternatives, they don&#8217;t really have a moral leg to stand on.</p>
<p>I agree that they are both the cause and solution of the problems &#8211; but they should stop being the cause and start being the solution now, rather than at their own convenience &#8211; and that of their bank balance.</p>
<p>Yes, it is impossible to criticise with total integrity. Yes, we all depend on oil based products every second of every day.  But is it so wrong to bite the hand that feeds if it&#8217;s for the common good of the planet?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Not Oil by Ruskin</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/11/01/art-not-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 12:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*I&#039;m genuinely enjoying this discussion, playing devils advocate and seeking to be swayed by reason*

Firstly, I doubt the humble nature of anyone prepared to string up dead fish to prove a point, lol. Passive aggression is still aggression.

However, my main point of contention shifts to address your final question: 

These monstrous companies are indeed putting millions into developing renewable energy. Probably more money than anyone else; and it&#039;s more than just money, it&#039;s knowledge. They employ a vast chunk of the world leading talent needed to tackle renewable energy demands. 
If/when renewable energy becomes the majority source, these same companies will be reaping the profits. It makes sense considering their amassed knowledge and investment into the industry as a whole. Even more so when one considers that, with shifting public demand, there will be more money to be made from supplying &#039;cleaner&#039; energy - especially for whoever provides it first...

Therefore the situation as I see it is that we depend on these unscrupulous oil companies on a scale so large it is silly to quibble over who is their friend or not. They are both the cause and solution to the problems they&#039;ve lumped on the environment. It is impossible (in the Western world) to criticise them with integrity. Not when we suckle from their breast so lovingly. What were those ballons made from? What is in the very paint that is sought to be protected?

&quot;By partnering itself with national institutions, people will associate Shell with being ‘cultured’, with being ‘arty’, with being decent and accepted and civilised…&quot; ???

&quot;We&#039;ll buy your products, paint with them, put them up for all to see, but don&#039;t tell anyone we&#039;re associated with you&quot;???

Silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*I&#8217;m genuinely enjoying this discussion, playing devils advocate and seeking to be swayed by reason*</p>
<p>Firstly, I doubt the humble nature of anyone prepared to string up dead fish to prove a point, lol. Passive aggression is still aggression.</p>
<p>However, my main point of contention shifts to address your final question: </p>
<p>These monstrous companies are indeed putting millions into developing renewable energy. Probably more money than anyone else; and it&#8217;s more than just money, it&#8217;s knowledge. They employ a vast chunk of the world leading talent needed to tackle renewable energy demands.<br />
If/when renewable energy becomes the majority source, these same companies will be reaping the profits. It makes sense considering their amassed knowledge and investment into the industry as a whole. Even more so when one considers that, with shifting public demand, there will be more money to be made from supplying &#8216;cleaner&#8217; energy &#8211; especially for whoever provides it first&#8230;</p>
<p>Therefore the situation as I see it is that we depend on these unscrupulous oil companies on a scale so large it is silly to quibble over who is their friend or not. They are both the cause and solution to the problems they&#8217;ve lumped on the environment. It is impossible (in the Western world) to criticise them with integrity. Not when we suckle from their breast so lovingly. What were those ballons made from? What is in the very paint that is sought to be protected?</p>
<p>&#8220;By partnering itself with national institutions, people will associate Shell with being ‘cultured’, with being ‘arty’, with being decent and accepted and civilised…&#8221; ???</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ll buy your products, paint with them, put them up for all to see, but don&#8217;t tell anyone we&#8217;re associated with you&#8221;???</p>
<p>Silly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Not Oil by James</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/11/01/art-not-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue that any number of less environmentally-destructive companies could sponsor the arts. However, oil companies can out-bid anyone, and money talks. The art world itself is not exactly clean-cut, so they&#039;re hardly going to turn down Shell&#039;s money on any kind of moral grounds.

The strength of Shell/BP&#039;s position globally is and never will be in doubt - as the 3rd and 4th richest companies in the world, we all know our entire society is based on their products, and I and every one of us in the western world use oil-based products almost every minute of every day. Their funding of the arts doesn&#039;t affect their &#039;success&#039; by any means - this success is already guaranteed and completely untouchable. 

What the funding does is create a subtle smokescreen, a diversion. It operates on the subconscious. By partnering itself with national institutions, people will associate Shell with being &#039;cultured&#039;, with being &#039;arty&#039;, with being decent and accepted and civilised…. and this is all the campaign has a problem with.

Campaigns such as this aren&#039;t designed to deal with companies in terms of shutting them down or pointing out their flaws - that&#039;s for Greenpeace and FOE etc… No-one&#039;s pretending that ending arts sponsorship would address the dark sides of oil companies, yet as this is not the aim of the campaign, I&#039;d argue that the effort would certainly not be futile.

In effect, this is a rather trivial and small-scale campaign over a moral objection and little more. It will realistically never achieve its goals - they are in essence aiming for nothing more that to humbly &#039;make sure that nobody wants to be Shell&#039;s friend&#039;, yet this is definitely nothing to be belittled.  It would be a very tiny step on the road to educating people about the negative sides of oil companies. 

I guess in an ideal world, the likes of Greenpeace would sponsor the arts, but we&#039;d all agree that their money could be put to use in a better way - and this should be no different in the case of oil companies. Why not invest the millions that they put into the art world into developing renewable energy instead?
x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue that any number of less environmentally-destructive companies could sponsor the arts. However, oil companies can out-bid anyone, and money talks. The art world itself is not exactly clean-cut, so they&#8217;re hardly going to turn down Shell&#8217;s money on any kind of moral grounds.</p>
<p>The strength of Shell/BP&#8217;s position globally is and never will be in doubt &#8211; as the 3rd and 4th richest companies in the world, we all know our entire society is based on their products, and I and every one of us in the western world use oil-based products almost every minute of every day. Their funding of the arts doesn&#8217;t affect their &#8216;success&#8217; by any means &#8211; this success is already guaranteed and completely untouchable. </p>
<p>What the funding does is create a subtle smokescreen, a diversion. It operates on the subconscious. By partnering itself with national institutions, people will associate Shell with being &#8216;cultured&#8217;, with being &#8216;arty&#8217;, with being decent and accepted and civilised…. and this is all the campaign has a problem with.</p>
<p>Campaigns such as this aren&#8217;t designed to deal with companies in terms of shutting them down or pointing out their flaws &#8211; that&#8217;s for Greenpeace and FOE etc… No-one&#8217;s pretending that ending arts sponsorship would address the dark sides of oil companies, yet as this is not the aim of the campaign, I&#8217;d argue that the effort would certainly not be futile.</p>
<p>In effect, this is a rather trivial and small-scale campaign over a moral objection and little more. It will realistically never achieve its goals &#8211; they are in essence aiming for nothing more that to humbly &#8216;make sure that nobody wants to be Shell&#8217;s friend&#8217;, yet this is definitely nothing to be belittled.  It would be a very tiny step on the road to educating people about the negative sides of oil companies. </p>
<p>I guess in an ideal world, the likes of Greenpeace would sponsor the arts, but we&#8217;d all agree that their money could be put to use in a better way &#8211; and this should be no different in the case of oil companies. Why not invest the millions that they put into the art world into developing renewable energy instead?<br />
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		<title>Comment on Art Not Oil by Ruskin</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/11/01/art-not-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PR comes with the money, inextricably. Who would fund it otherwise? Perhaps that query would be a more productive focus of resources rather than &#039;biting the hand&#039;.
However, for me, the opening statement is the poor foundation of this movement:

&#039;The financial support that the companies provide strengthens their position as a part of Britain’s cultural and social elite, and creates a perception of making a positive contribution to our society...&#039;

I think our global dependence on their highly functional product is what strengthens their position globally. I posit that whether they massively funded art galleries or not would not dent their contribution to society nor success. Again, tobacco is an entirely different story because the dependence on tobacco products is largely down to public perception since they form a tertiary in day to day life for a select few.

I agree there have been numerous crimes/mishaps/etc of energy companies, but this is not an effective campaign to deal with them. Furthermore, the way in which those issues should be dealt with is not made clear. Is the overall aim to close down BP and Shell and other energy companies? Or to merely make sure that nobody wants to be their friend? Either way, the real issues are not being addressed properly: how can the crimes be stopped and prevented? Ending the funding seems futile. imho of course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PR comes with the money, inextricably. Who would fund it otherwise? Perhaps that query would be a more productive focus of resources rather than &#8216;biting the hand&#8217;.<br />
However, for me, the opening statement is the poor foundation of this movement:</p>
<p>&#8216;The financial support that the companies provide strengthens their position as a part of Britain’s cultural and social elite, and creates a perception of making a positive contribution to our society&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>I think our global dependence on their highly functional product is what strengthens their position globally. I posit that whether they massively funded art galleries or not would not dent their contribution to society nor success. Again, tobacco is an entirely different story because the dependence on tobacco products is largely down to public perception since they form a tertiary in day to day life for a select few.</p>
<p>I agree there have been numerous crimes/mishaps/etc of energy companies, but this is not an effective campaign to deal with them. Furthermore, the way in which those issues should be dealt with is not made clear. Is the overall aim to close down BP and Shell and other energy companies? Or to merely make sure that nobody wants to be their friend? Either way, the real issues are not being addressed properly: how can the crimes be stopped and prevented? Ending the funding seems futile. imho of course</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Not Oil by James</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/11/01/art-not-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the reliance upon oil-based products that campaigns such as this resent... it&#039;s the PR boost that comes from Shell and BP partnering with national institutions that is somewhat immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the reliance upon oil-based products that campaigns such as this resent&#8230; it&#8217;s the PR boost that comes from Shell and BP partnering with national institutions that is somewhat immoral.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Not Oil by Ruskin</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/11/01/art-not-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biting the hand that feeds you...?

More than just art - try going through a day without using a product of oil. It&#039;s not a like-for-like comparison to the tobacco industry.

Interesting that people dedicate so much time to it though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biting the hand that feeds you&#8230;?</p>
<p>More than just art &#8211; try going through a day without using a product of oil. It&#8217;s not a like-for-like comparison to the tobacco industry.</p>
<p>Interesting that people dedicate so much time to it though!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Ultimate Propaganda Machine by James</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/10/23/the-ultimate-propaganda-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I&#039;ve often thought along similar lines - there are times when I share the sense of disillusionment that socio-political art can only ever preach to the converted... but at the same time this is the type of work which inspires me above all else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I&#8217;ve often thought along similar lines &#8211; there are times when I share the sense of disillusionment that socio-political art can only ever preach to the converted&#8230; but at the same time this is the type of work which inspires me above all else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Ultimate Propaganda Machine by Rusty Shackleford</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/10/23/the-ultimate-propaganda-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting piece. As much as I love many forms of art, I can&#039;t help but feel disillusioned by it all sometimes. I guess it has the potential to spark change or raise lasting thought, but is that potential ever really truly fulfilled in those that don&#039;t already harbour similar opinions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting piece. As much as I love many forms of art, I can&#8217;t help but feel disillusioned by it all sometimes. I guess it has the potential to spark change or raise lasting thought, but is that potential ever really truly fulfilled in those that don&#8217;t already harbour similar opinions?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hard Wrk by Ruskin</title>
		<link>http://www.silentplatform.com/blog/2010/09/05/hard-wrk/comment-page-1/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sweet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweet</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letterform by Ruskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 11:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
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